ATE SUPER BLUE 剎車油問題

[andeson]

請問各位前輩們,
最近周邊有車友KR的ABS亮燈故障了
給車行檢測後, 車行說ATE SUPER BLUE的這款剎車油會導致BMW的ABS阻塞
且BMW原廠有發布消息
請問各位大大有聽說過相關消息嗎?

[taipei101]

無稽之談......我K1200S從第一次換剎車油開始就使用這個ATE SUPER BLUE,至今已經7~8年了,ABS還是正常!
大鳥也是用ATE SUPER BLUE,ABS也都正常!
而且我也沒有每年都換一次煞車油,有時候2年才更換一次!
SUPER BLUE DOT4的乾溼沸點比一般DOT4高一些,連續剎車比較不會熱衰退,但是會將剎車系統搞得藍藍的,比較不容易從油顏色看出剎車油是否已經變質!

個人是覺得BMW機車的ABS會故障跟"電池"或是"電力"比較有關連!

[L1Rider]

I second 無稽之談.
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[andeson]

感謝taipei101和L1Rider的解惑,
那小弟就可以放心使用了,
上個月我的KS才剛換煞車油ATE SUPER BLUE,
不用再多換一次了

[甲組樂哈哈]

我之前的K1200LT也是換ATE SUPER BLUE,已經10年了ABS頭好壯壯

[yen_kofu]

[flyhair]

ATE有出一款特別的：
ESP電子車身穩定系統專用煞車油

Electronic Stabilty Program
乾沸點：265℃
濕沸點：175℃

參考
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[johnb2897]

今天 我問一位店家 他不騎重車 但是他有在其改裝速克達比賽
我問他藍色煞車油 的事情

他跟我說 他比賽一圈 就覺得這油不行了 很澀 馬上跟廠商說要沸點更高的 結果剛好選到ate esp用的煞車油 他說 就沒這問題了

因為也有別的店家跟我說他不喜歡用藍色煞車油 說用久了會澀澀的 不知是否就是衰退了

不知道車友說的
ATE SUPER BLUE的這款剎車油會導致BMW的ABS阻塞


是否也是因為油已經衰退 產生雜質了 才會這樣

那個採用esp的店家跟我說 他說 大型重型機車 如果急煞 煞車油滾得更快

所以可能很快就覺得不行了 或許大部分車友是因為沒有常在煞車 所以覺得ate藍色煞車油 夠用也不壹定

但是 我敢肯定 百分之九十五的人 應該用ate藍色煞車油 都覺得夠用了才對

因為 我賣了不少煞車油 少有人說藍色煞車油不夠力 甚至是普通店家 用兩光牌的煞車油 都用得很開心

[taipei101]

[yen_kofu]

我的BMW R1150R經驗是兩年就要換煞車油，兩年之內即使用中油的煞車油都沒有問題
問題出在電瓶，以及電瓶充電方式~要一直插著充，電EXIDE‘GEL’batteries，19Ah瓶可以用很久

一旦煞車主體出現ERROR警示燈，馬上換電瓶，還有救 !
當然電壓降的問題如下，也是要先解決
http://motocity.com.tw/gp1/viewtopic.php?t=81716&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=315
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[johnb2897]

怪怪 剛剛查了ate esp的 資料 比藍色煞車油沸點還低 怎騎速克達的賽車手會覺得sl6比較好用 真奇怪

ATE Brake Fluid SL 6 DOT 4 剎車油
ESP 電子車身穩定煞車系統專用
乾沸點：265℃
濕沸點：175℃

ATE SUPER BLUE Racing的乾沸點：280℃，濕沸點：198℃，

[L1Rider]

ATE ESP 是 DOT 4 級的煞車油. 強調適用於帶電子輔煞系統的油路.
其特點為 LV (Louis Vuitton 錯!) Low Viscosity - 低黏度.

LV 級低黏度並不只ATE 專有. 可查 BMW 原廠指定用油, LV 由來已久.
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[yen_kofu]

為什麼要用低黏度請看「Our Featured Product for Electronic Brake Systems」
http://www.ate-na.com/www/ate_us_en/themes/20_ate_brake_products/brake_fluid/bf_sl6_us.html


The brake fluid is the most important part of the brake system because it transmits the pressure we apply with our feet to the brakes. Since the introduction of electronic systems like ABS and ESP, the brake fluid has acquired a far greater importance than it had before. The hydraulic units of these systems have a large number of small bores and ducts導管, some of them smaller in diameter than a human hair. Consequently, the wrong choice of brake fluid can have disastrous results for the operation of state-of-the-art brake systems.油壓系統有非常多的小口徑或導管，其中有些內徑比人的頭髮還細

Since the introduction of ESP, brake fluid must decelerate individual wheels in fractions of a second in order to stabilize the vehicle in critical situations (e.g. a skid). The development of particularly thinbodied brake fluids such as Original ATE SL.6 have been essential in ensuring the rapid response times required for ESP can be attained. The requirement for such fluids has already been incorporated into the design of the ESP system. With conventional brake fluids the system's reaction times (in critical situations) may be several times longer than with Original ATE SL.6. In practice this may mean that the system cannot stabilize the vehicle.

The new ATE brake fluid meets and exceeds the requirements: FMVSS§571.116, DOT 4/DOT 3, SAE J1703 as well as ISO 4925, Class 6.
Advantages of Original ATE SL.6
• Low viscosity (thin-bodied)
• Permits fastest response by ESP
• Optimum brake fluid for electronic brake systems like ESP, ABS, TCS, etc.
• Improved handling safety owing to speedy response of ESP
• Most vehicle manufacturers already use the low-viscosity DOT 4, Class 6 (ISO 4925) brake fluids in production cars (OEM and OES)
The optimal brake fluid for electronic brake systems
With Original ATE SL.6 you are optimally prepared for future systems too. Make use of the advantage which shorter response time offers and abstain from using viscous brake fluid, and thus the wrong fluid, for ESP and other electronic brake systems.

ATE ESP with MK 60 unit

DOT 4+, Super DOT4 (ISO 4925 - Class 6)
---------------Kin. Viscosity---------Kin. Viscosity
Temp.--------[mm²/s]--------------[mm²/s]
[°C]----------Specified--------------measured
-40-----------max. 750-------------717.55
100----------min. 1.5---------------2.1119


DOT 4 (SAE J1704, FMVSS No. 116, ISO 4925 – Class 4)
---------------Kin. Viscosity---------Kin. Viscosity
Temp.--------[mm²/s]--------------[mm²/s]
[°C]----------Specified--------------measured
-40-----------max. 1800------------1121.24
100----------min. 1.5---------------2.1369

未注明者則相當於ISO 4925 – Class 4
例如
中國石油 DOT4 CPC~~~國光牌剎車油~~一公升裝
---------------Kin. Viscosity
Temp.--------[mm²/s ]
[°C]----------Specified
-40-----------max. 1113
100----------min. 2.31
未注明者則都喜歡不標示黏度
例如~~~IDEMITSU煞車油

標示DOT4指的就是一般黏度就是一般的Class 4
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[johnb2897]

看到鬼 ate super blue racing已停產,官網也將圖片拿掉了

[kyocott]